About Re-Convening the GOP Convention
There is, unfortunatey, some misinformation making its way around cyber-space regarding plans to reconvene the Nevada Republican Convention. One has to do with an offer by delegate Wayne Terhune to provide rental space at a Reno casino for the purpose of finishing up our business.
Contrary to what some are alleging, the party appreciated the offer and responded to it immediately. Here is the letter sent to Mr. Terhune on May 19, 2008…
Dear Mr. Terhune:
On behalf of the Nevada Republican Central Committee, please accept my sincere appreciation for your offer to donate the space for the continuation of the 2008 Nevada Republican Party Convention.
You will be pleased to know that before we received your kind offer, we had already made arrangements to reconvene in Reno and continue the 2008 Convention there. We value your concern and dedication to the party and look forward to making the reconvene of the convention a success. You should receive a notice containing details about the meeting, shortly.
Sincerely,
Sue Lowden
Chairman
Nevada Republican Party
There is also an effort underway by some delegates to attempt to reconvene the convention themselves on June 28, 2008. Please be advised that this meeting is NOT sanctioned by the Nevada Republican Party and quite probably would be a violation of our bylaws, Roberts Rules of Order and Nevada Revised Statute. We are researching the applicable provisions and I’ll share them with you here once the research is completed.
Let me repeat, the Nevada Republican Party will NOT be reconvening the convention on June 28, 2008.
A plan for officially reconvening the convention has been drafted and will be presented to the Executive Committee of the Nevada Republican Party at its regularly scheduled meeting tomorrow night. If the plan is approved, delegates will be officially notified as to when and where the meeting will take place. Thank you for your patience.
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I think it is irresponsible of certain groups and the media to be posting this information as though it is the actual reconvening of the convention. Shame on them for taking matters into their own hands when the rules are clearly not in their favor.
Anonymous — June 3, 2008 @ 12:18 pm
I can not wait until these people show up to their June 28th Convention, have their little rallying fun, throw a couple verbal punches at Senator Bob Beers and Chairman Sue Lowden, only to have their entire convention not count at all. It will be a waste of their money,time, and energy. As a young fiscal conservative, I have already learned how to safely manage my money, and I know that going to a non-sanctioned meeting is a total waste of it.
And Sue, keep on doing what you do, I appreciate it and respect it.
Young Conservative — June 3, 2008 @ 12:28 pm
How hard is it to make a date & book a room? Robert Terhune has done it twice at a major hotel/casino for us. When Beers “recessed” I thought he said information about the reconvening would be sent out in a week or two. That hasn’t happened. Terhune is just trying to get the ball rolling again. If you aren’t going to do the job, then someone has to do it. If you’ve made arrangements, as you state, why aren’t you revealing them to us? What’s the big secret? As the saying goes, “LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET OUT OF THE WAY!!!!!!!!”
Let’s finish business!
cynthia kennedy — June 3, 2008 @ 12:50 pm
Conventions are owned and operated by the delegates. WE (the delegates) elect chairmen, WE elect secretaries, WE elect committees, WE make the rules, and WE change the rules - not them. The state party is is purely a guest and a spectator if any of the members are not elected official by the delegation. There is no governing body above the delegation. No rules can be passed and no judgments can be made without a vote of the delegates. The state party was given ample time, ample notice and ample patience - they have not responded in the delegates favor. If WE decide to reconvene, we posses every right to do so.
The party has already been allowed 5 weeks to negotiate, and the executive committee is not needed to review any plans. The delegation did not vote on the Republican Executive Committee to work or vote on our behalf.
KC
KC — June 3, 2008 @ 12:59 pm
I believe that throwing verbal punches, Cynthia, is not the way we should want the Republican Party. Obviously you have never had to plan a major meeting, I’m guessing. The fact of the matter is, there needs to be approval on not only the date and location, but also the meeting space, the meeting budget and other facets of the convention, before it can be convened.
I believe Sue Lowden is doing the best that she can to make the meeting affordable to all, and available to all. Having a meeting set for a week from now, or even three weeks from now can be financially trying for those involved with children and other priorities.
Sue is being a responsible leader and I commend her for her hard work, dedication and all of the bull sh*t she puts up with from a group of “republicans” that shall remain nameless.
anonymous — June 3, 2008 @ 1:01 pm
“a group of “republicans” that shall remain nameless.” That’s funny Mr. (or Mrs.) Anonymous!
KC — June 3, 2008 @ 1:08 pm
The only reason the “officials” of the party are re-convening is out of fear that Dr. Terhune’s plans will succeed. Sue Lowdon and Bob Beers have disgraced the Nevada GOP nationally.
Zlatan — June 3, 2008 @ 1:09 pm
I beg to differ. Sue & Bob have not disgraced the party nationally. Perhaps, those who hi-jacked the convention and did not want to get on with party business should take a good look in the mirror? Although we all know that you did it for selfish reasons.
anonymous — June 3, 2008 @ 1:18 pm
I am still not entirely sure why people would want to waste their time and energy on a convention on June 28th that is not going to be productive. The people that will show up are not going to meet a quorum and the meeting will have no actual results.
So with that being said, I have decided to declare my own state convention. It will be held at Sunset Park. All that want to attend are welcome to. We will elect our own delegates and demand the RNC seat them at Natl. Convention.
I urge everyone to have their own random conventions prior to the June 28th one. That way all the Natl. Delegates will be decided before their meeting and they wont have room.
Young Conservative — June 3, 2008 @ 1:22 pm
Here is a link to an article that you should read. http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters/324972
The Democrats are going to exploit the antics of the incompetents who shut down the convention and then lie about it.
Zlatan — June 3, 2008 @ 1:23 pm
Well “anonymous” says it all about the writer. Maybe it is Sue herself. FYI, my husband & I were on the Platform Committee. Several weeks prior to our meeting on the Friday before Saturday’s convention, several e-mail went back & forth between the committee members & the Chair; memos about sifting the resolutions down to our top 15, etc. In those e-mails, I asked SPECIFICALLY where the meeting was in the Peppermill. The Chair, who ended up not being able to attend, could not tell me a specific room. When we arrived 15 minutes before the meeting, we went to the convention area, there we found other committee members milling around not knowing where to go. After awhile, a kind gentleman came into the area & told us he’d take us to the meeting room. After a long, circuitous walk we were brought to the room where the meeting was already in progress. I asked, “Why couldn’t we have been told ahead of time the name of the room where we were meeting? Why couldn’t signs have been posted saying where the meeting was?” I was told the arrangements were none of the affair of anyone in the room & that if I had complaints to talk to Sue Lowden & her associates as they had spent $70,000 to put on this convention that used to be put on by volunteers. I’m not going to name who said this, but it was a person who had a long history with the party. If this convention cost $70,000 to put on + the cost of the facility, why was this money so cavalierly thrown away in a recess? That question has never been answered, & I refuse to believe that the convention had out be out of the hall by 6pm Saturday.
Maybe “anonymous” has answers.
And, NO, I don’t subscribe to Thumper’s credo, “If you can’t say anything nice, don’t say nothin’ at all.” I call it as I see it.
Cynthia
cynthia kennedy — June 3, 2008 @ 1:32 pm
After thinking about it; the best part of this whole fiasco is this:
Wayne Terhune sends formal proposal for free turn-key convention on MAY 15th.
Sue Lowden sends formal denial of offer on MAY 19th.
Today, JUNE 3rd!!! They actually ‘officially’ notify the delegates of their denial of a free convention space.
IT TOOK 20 DAYS TO ACTUALLY POST HERE RESPONSE ON THIS BLOG.
How kind of her to actually consider us finally. If you think 20 days has your best interests in mind, please reconsider.
Now we have the incredibly vague statement “A plan for officially reconvening the convention has been drafted and will be presented to the Executive Committee of the Nevada Republican Party at its regularly scheduled meeting tomorrow night. If the plan is approved, delegates will be officially notified as to when and where the meeting will take place. Thank you for your patience.”
Patience?? Are you kidding me Mrs. Lowden? If you meet tomorrow night, and we wait 20 days for a notice, then 7 days for a mailer, then 14 days for the delegates to respond and confirm, where does that leave us?
I’ll tell you.
Sitting at home watching the National Convention on T.V. with no seated Nevada delegates, and no representation.
That’s how I see it.
KC — June 3, 2008 @ 1:36 pm
The Executive Committee of the Nevada Republican Party is most strongly urged to expedite a decision on a date and place for reconvening our State Convention. It has been well over a month since the convention was suspended, plenty of time to set new plans. Despite many helpful suggestions from loyal Nevada Republicans, little obvious action has transpired to remedy this situation. Further delay does not serve our state delegates well as the uncertainty creates difficulties for personal planning and financial arrangements for travel. We all want to do the right thing and complete the task we were entrusted to perform. Recently I pledged another donation to our party. That donation will not be made until the convention is dutifully reconvened and concluded.
Brian Suen — June 3, 2008 @ 1:45 pm
Great News! Looking forward to the date. I think is it best option for the NV Republicans for the State Party officers to run the show. Gives our delegation creditability at the RNC. We all know the issues, but we will all come together and finish our business. They we all can work together in rebuild this party to win in November. I can not stand the thought of Nevada going blue! Please tell us as soon as possible Sue, people have devoted so much time and energy! Thanks
Carl
Carl Bunce — June 3, 2008 @ 1:49 pm
If the meeting on the 28th has a quorum of delegates (i.e., a simple majority), those people ARE the Republican Party and all proceedings will most definitely be legal. It’s certainly NOT a waste of time.
If the delegates want their voices heard, they need to show up on the 28th.
Jen — June 3, 2008 @ 1:55 pm
Dear Ms. Lowden,
You should reconsider the 28th as a viable date. Dr. Terhune is capable of marshalling a quorum on that date, and there is no legal reason that the delegates cannot assemble and complete the business of delegate selection. If the party is not interested in that day and tries to arrange another meeting, it is a foregone conclusion that they have insufficient delegates to attain a quorum. In the interest of unifying the party, it would be best to work with the majority of delegates that are making plans to assemble on June 28th.
Why are you and the party reticent to allow a free and open convention. Is it threatening to the GOP to allow the delegates to vote for the candidate of their choice in a free and open forum?
Hopefully you will see the long term wisdom of letting the people decide the candidates, not the party. That is supposed to be the foundation of our free country.
Sincerely,
Todd Smith
Todd Smith — June 3, 2008 @ 3:22 pm
GOP state leadership? How difficult is it to plan a convention date?
What are the items that are under consideration?
Convention space is not an issue?
rep. heller is looking into this issue as well.
This delay is making the delegates at large more uneasy about waiting around as time passes
Not allowing the convention to commence removes Nevada’s elected representation in the process.
Nevada electorate is not too happy about this.
The longer you stall the worse the state GOP looks to the state and the national convention.
Please reconvene asap and accept the Terhune’s offer as quorum will be present with or without you..
thank you for your consideration.
convention goer — June 3, 2008 @ 3:36 pm
This is comical! Do you really think that RNC is going to recognize anything that a random group of people do outside of party guidelines?
As for why people post anonymously, maybe it is because they are tired of the harrassment that comes with exposing themselves to a radical group of delusional RP supporters.
Finally, with all this indignation, I wonder where that passion was in past years? Have you ever been a volunteer? Have you ever put in the time, money, and sweat that so many others have? And now you speak as though you have the moral high ground? Again…comical.
Anonymous — June 3, 2008 @ 3:37 pm
Why do you think that the June 28th “convention” will have quorum? Do you realize that you need over 650 delegates in attendance to have an official quorum?
Will you have the Convention Secretary and the Convention Credentials committee in place on that date to make sure that all attending and voting are in fact delegates from the convention that you are presumably going to reconvene?
How will anyone know that it is being done properly if its not a sanctioned event?
Obviously all of you are new to politics, the convention process and the likes of how candidates are chosen.
Its clear to see that RP doesn’t have a snowballs chance in hell to get the nomination, as McCain already has the delegates needed (& then some). Why are you so hell bent on overthrowing party rules for nothing?
anonymous — June 3, 2008 @ 3:38 pm
Dear anon..
not so new to the game actually. donated lots of time and $$’s. the moral of the story here is to resume the process soon to finish the business. insulting your base does not help much either. If you can’t seem to understand the delegates and the party wants to finish it’s business. Nothing more nothing less. Please reconsider Terhune’s offer, it would save the party lots of $$$ too.
Regards,
convention goer — June 3, 2008 @ 3:49 pm
Excellent comments Mr. Smith. Just what are they afraid of? Perhaps delaying until after the national convention is the real goal of the party leaders.
Richard — June 3, 2008 @ 3:52 pm
To anonymous:
You obviously are an expert in the “Goose-step”. McCain is not a Republican in even the most liberal of definitions. At least not as considered back in the time I joined the party. Whether you want to admit it or not this country is in a major crisis. It started it’s down turn when we veered from the original intent of our fore-fathers outline in the Constitution and now we are on the brink of ruin.
Richard — June 3, 2008 @ 4:02 pm
What the RP people fail to recognize is that they CAN NOT win!!! They can be disruptive, have their fun trashing honorable people like Sue Lowden and Senator Beers, but they fail to realize that for ALL their effort, RP CAN NOT win. You guys can get together, hold your non-sanctioned convention, get to play like you are accomplishing something, but at the end of the day, you CAN NOT beat McCain or the RNC.
Young Conservative — June 3, 2008 @ 4:10 pm
Richard- despite what you think of John McCain, whether you think he is too moderate or too liberal, or whatever the case may be, the point is he IS our nominee. A lot of people are happy about it, and a lot of people are sad about it, but its the fact. There is no pulling an upset, no last minute victory. Either vote for McCain in November or don’t. But do not continue to tear our party apart for a defeated candidate.
Young Conservative — June 3, 2008 @ 4:14 pm
Seem’s it took Dr. Terhune to bring enough pressure on the NV Rep. party to finally do something. I’ve learned to put value in actions, not words. Using this measure, it appears the Rep. Party had planned to dodge the national until it started to receive to much pressure about it. If it walks like a duck…
RP Republican — June 3, 2008 @ 4:28 pm
You are mistaken, it is the party that is leading itself to ruin not anyone else. Rush Limbaugh called it right when he said McCain as a candidate would destroy this party. So you are saying we should follow the party right or wrong? Much to reminiscent of Germany in the 30’s for me! The party has left the true Republicans and sold us down the road.
Richard — June 3, 2008 @ 4:29 pm
I am curious why a criminal complaint has not been filed with the FBI or at least the attorney generals office over the convention here in Nevada as it was done in at least one other state in the midwest (Missouri) I believe?
Richard — June 3, 2008 @ 4:42 pm
One of the main purposes of the State Republican Convention is to elect delegates to represent Nevada at the National Convention September 1-4. The has not been accomplished to date. These delegates are expected to pay all of their own expenses to go to St. Paul. Daily we are hearing of airline fare increases with additional fees being added and as time moves on, it will be next to impossible to find hotel rooms anywhere near the convention site, if it is not already so. Out of consideration for these people, we cannot delay any longer.
Margie — June 3, 2008 @ 4:50 pm
So Richard, if someone doesn’t agree with your views or ideas, then in fact, they are a nazi?
I thought this was an intelligent discussion, not a moveon.org message board.
Grow up people. The convention will be reconvened. Had the process not been made a mockery of in the first place, we’d have all party business accomplished and could be doing real work, instead of picking fights with one another, and making childish comments about others. (ie: comments about facelifts & nazis…my guess is, maybe you’re jealous that some people are better looking than you, and you cant afford plastic surgery, if you have to make comments about it.)
GROW UP and stop acting like DEMOCRATS.
anonymous — June 3, 2008 @ 5:00 pm
Anonymous:
Interpret as you will but the growing majority of citizens today are too well informed to follow blindly and thank God for that.
Richard — June 3, 2008 @ 5:22 pm
Okay, obviously some people have missed two obvious points:
1: The National Convention is not until September. There is plenty of time to reconvene. Everyone just needs to breathe a bit.
2: The caucuses and primaries across the country have chosen McCain as the nominee. For being so concerned with the “voice of the people” you should consider that the people HAVE spoken and it is you who are ignoring them.
Right Wing Conspiracy — June 3, 2008 @ 5:35 pm
Wrong again! We were denied our voice in the first convention. All the people have not spoken! This whole issue would not exist had the Republican committee handled itself in a honest and forthright manner.
Richard — June 3, 2008 @ 5:45 pm
The State GOP called a convention which was recessed illegally. It is being reconvened with those same credentialled delegates and if a quorum is met, it should be legal. They are not calling for a new convention.
Margie — June 3, 2008 @ 5:50 pm
Richard- What exactly do you plan on accomplishing? What realistic goals do you have?
It becomes increasingly obvious that the RP groups’ plan is distraction, mayhem, and chaos. So I ask you again, what realistic goals does RP have?
Young Conservative — June 3, 2008 @ 5:51 pm
Margie- The June 28th meeting is not going to work. Even IF you have a quorum, who is to say that they were credentialed?
Young Conservative — June 3, 2008 @ 5:54 pm
This is not an isolated incident. It occurred in many states under the direction of the National party. Not just this one. Many votes were not recorded across the nation. Our goal is to be freely able to exercise our Constitutional rights regardless of outcome and not to be unjustly hindered by those intentionally trying to deny us those rights.
Richard — June 3, 2008 @ 5:57 pm
Margie, how was the state convention recessed illegally?
anonymous — June 3, 2008 @ 6:18 pm
Let’s not lose sight of only real issue: Either the flaming fascist, John McCain, or the flaming socialist Barack Obama, will be our next president. The Ron Paul Revolution must continue full steam beyond the election.
Regardless of which stooge is elected, the US will continue to wreak death and destruction, and to recruit enemies as it attempts to police the world with seven hundred military bases around the world. The Bill of Rights will continue to be ignored as we are spied on and searched. The falling dollar will continue to wipe out our savings as the criminal “Federal” Reserve prints phony money to pay for massive deficits. Health care, already severely crippled by government, will fall increasingly into the hands of federal politicians and bureaucrats. More vaccinations will be forced upon us. The bankruptcy of massive welfare monstrosities such as “Social Security” and “Medicare” will become more and more apparent. Your liberty and wallet will be increasingly looted in the name of the global warming scam. Our schools will continue to be pasteurized, homogenized and socialized into one-size-fits-all, politically correct, endoctrination factories. We’ll have to show our “papers” at more and more locations. The US will continue to have the highest per capita prison population in the world as people are put in jail for taking the most effective medicine available for certain illnesses. Aliens will continue to be lured to the US to receive “free” (stolen by government) goods and services, and to send money out of the country…
Most tragically, the United States will continue to give away its sovereignty to World Government.
How pathetic it is to watch the “leaders” of the Nevada Republican party dance like puppets on strings to the same tired establishment tune, as the “SS War on Terror” sinks and drags the country down with it. Ron Paul was their one hope of restoring some honor to the the party and turning this country around, but they are either too ignorant, self serving, or just plain spineless to entertain real change.
But such is human nature. It is up to us, the leaders of the Ron Paul Revolution, to continue the fight for freedom on behalf the rest of the country. Every worthwhile movement starts this way, with the Establishment leaders fighting it every step of the way. Every victory brings us closer. If we can get Ron Paul a spotlight at the national convention, we will have won a major battle. But remember that ulitmately it is young people and the internet that will win the war.
Kerry Shacklett — June 3, 2008 @ 6:54 pm
Dear Kerry and every other RP “revolutionaries,”
You do not speak for the party, for the country, or for the millions that participated in caucuses and primaries throughout America.
Those people have spoken and THEY CHOSE MCCAIN!
You were all fine with those systems when you thought they were in your favor. You were never involved in the party before they brought the caucus to Nevada (which you can thank Sue Lowden for). But now that they have included many more participants, you want to spit in their face. Your arrogance is astounding.
Right Wing Conspiracy — June 3, 2008 @ 8:36 pm
It is interesting to read the threads on this blog. Almost universally, anyone identifying themselves as a McCain supporter has hidden behind a fake identity. We have Young Conservative, Right Wing Conspiracy, and an number of ‘anonymous’ postings. Many of the non-McCain bloggers proudly identify themselves. It is easy to take cheap shots when you hide behind a veil of anonymity.
One blogger naively wrote, “Its clear to see that RP doesn’t have a snowballs chance in hell to get the nomination.” To that person, the one that was afraid to post their real name, I ask:
WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF? IF SENATOR MCCAIN IS GOING TO WIN IN A FAIR VOTE COUNT, WHY ARE YOU AND THE NEVADA GOP AFRAID TO HOLD THE CONVENTION AND TAKE THE VOTE? The answer is simple. You are wrong. McCain would not prevail. Had the vote been taken in April, CONGRESSMAN RON PAUL would have won most of the delegates. If and when we reconvene, Dr. Paul will have a majority of the delegates in his support. THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE AFRAID OF!
It is amazing that factions in a free country such as ours would approve of electoral shenanigans because their candidate might not win. Support your process, and support your country. Whether or not your candidate will prevail, you should support taking a fair vote and allowing our process to work.
THAT IS WHAT OUR COUNTRY IS ABOUT!
Todd Smith — June 3, 2008 @ 9:16 pm
Sigh…
Right wing conspiracy? Where did you get the info that the people chose McCain in NV? Please show me the facts. Oh wait, you can’t show me the facts because the people have NOT chosen McCain. Just because the people chose Romney, and then Romney suggested they vote for McCain, doesn’t mean that they did.
So, in all reality, because Ron Paul got second place in NV, and McCain got third, the people have spoken, and they chose Ron Paul.
Come on, the math on this is really not that difficult.
Anonymous II — June 3, 2008 @ 9:28 pm
In response to “Anonymous:
“Had the process not been made a mockery of in the first place, we’d have all party business accomplished and could be doing real work”
Yes, you are right. Had Sue Lowden and the chair of the nominations committee not made a mockery of the convention (and the process of state *delegates* selecting national delegates) in the fist place, we would have the party business of selecting delegates to the national convention complete by now. Instead, they tried to select their own preferred slate of delegates - WITHOUT EVEN REVEALING WHO THE HECK WE WERE VOTING FOR. Talk about making a mockery of a democratic process. The propaganda spewing from the state Republican party is what is really comical here. The Ron Paul supporters followed the rules for nominating national delegates in an open convention, not in some back room deal making, which is what the state party officials did.
As to the additional comical propaganda that all that Ron Paul supporters want to do is to cause chaos and disruption, that is both funny and absurd. The Ron Paul supporters were not the ones who recessed the convention without a vote (illegally - Robert’s Rules states it must be voted upon) because they did not like the way the vote was going.
As to the comment that Ron Paul can not win, that might be true. But in my opinion, the goal of Ron Paul supporters (or at least my goal) is to send delegates to the Republican National Convention to make the Revolution known, since Ron Paul and his message of liberty and the constitution have been so repugnantly censored by the major media outlets. My goal is also to notify those who would censor that message, that we will not go quietly or give up so easily. The American people need to know about Ron Paul’s message of liberty and the constitution. And those groups who would suppress that message need to have it shoved in their face (via Ron Paul supporting delegates) at the Republican National Convention. So there you go - that is what I’M hoping to achieve as a Ron Paul supporter in Nevada.
Besides, if Ron Paul has no chance of winning, then what can it hurt to send some Ron Paul delegates from Nevada to the National Convention? After all, he won’t win anyway right?
Oh, and I’ll be happy to repost this if there happens to be some “computer glitch” that happens to “lose” this message.
Robert B — June 3, 2008 @ 9:38 pm
There have been some posts on here that so passionately speak to why Ron Paul has such dedicated followers. I can’t understand why people would reject a candidate who has so much to offer. I grew up in the 50’s & it seemed like every other Disney program was about some character in the Revolutionary War & how much they sacrificed for our freedom. I came of age during the Viet Nam war & saw how we were lied to about its purpose. I’ll never forget Ali not reporting for the draft & saying, “No Viet Cong ever called me NIGGER!!” He lost his heavy-weight crown, but he was right not go fight the Vietnamese whom we called “Gooks” so that they were made into some kind of animal in our minds. Our country has been going down the wrong road for so long & most people have blinders on as to the terrible shape our America is in. Ron Paul offers the only clear answers that work. It makes me sick that he won’t be able to debate Obama about real change in our government. If the republican party had embraced Ron Paul, they could have proudly backed a candidate who would have united Americans. You would have seen Independent Americans, Libertarians, Constitutionalists, Green Party, and Democrats, as well as Republicans supporting him. You won’t have a chance of seeing that with McCain. In fact, you’ll see a lot of republicans vote for Obama as they certainly don’t want to be in Iraq for another 100 years - yes, & if he’s elected, look out baby, here we go - into Iran! We Ron Paul people are for peace, & taking our country back to its Revolutionary War roots of constitutionalism - what’s so wrong about that? I still say, if Ron Paul had gotten the same air time as Hillary, McCain or Obama, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Ron Paul would be our candidate. I hope Ms. Lowden, Mr. Moyle & Mr. Beers watched “Hacking Democracy” and “Recount.” If so, then they’d know how much credence we give the results that brought us McCain.
Cynthia Kennedy
cynthia kennedy — June 3, 2008 @ 9:39 pm
Why do you continue to support this corruption with doublespeak?
If you’re fooling anyone…it’s only yourself.
You have an opportunity to rectify this for the people of Nevada and yourself.
Or…you can keep spinning.
Thank you.
Sandi
Sandi — June 3, 2008 @ 9:55 pm
One more thing.
The convention is simply in recess. The credentialing process is complete. That is not an impediment on June 28th. No new delegates may be added. Only delegates possessing credentials from April 25th may attend and vote.
Todd Smith — June 3, 2008 @ 10:21 pm
Anonymous II,
You bring to mind another issue that has bothered me through this whole ordeal. The caucus process is an exclusionary process that does not allow those a voice that perhaps deserve it the most, the men and women serving our country overseas, not to mention a myriad of others i.e. those whose health does not allow them to participate, shut in’s etc. No absentee ballots for those people! From what I have witnessed at the convention the caucus process is more akin to mob rule politics. The county and state level GOP takes their marching orders from the national level and it really reminds me of the old Teamsters union under Hoffa Sr. rather than a valid political endeavor meant to allow the people to be heard. Regardless, I would like to thank you Anon. II and all others for serving our country. As to who we will chose as President we need to keep in mind that it very well will determine just who and how many will die in Iraq and elsewhere. I just wish those actively in the military had a voice in this process. Just perhaps those in Iraq might not think they should stay there another “100 years”! I therefore will refrain from thanking Mrs. Lowden for bringing the caucus process to Nevada, from what I have witnessed’ “I am not impressed”.
Richard — June 3, 2008 @ 10:22 pm
May I ask a favor of all Ron Paul supporters? Please lay off Sue and the party for a couple days and give her and the party a chance to get the info out. You all know I am a fan of Ron as well, so much so that I am running for Congress to promote his message. But, reading some of the things I see in this blog is just plain wrong. If you have a solid statement that you believe people should hear please go ahead. But please restrain yourselves from negative remarks for now. I understand the the issue before us better then anyone, I am an elected National Delegate and I have been waiting for the party to contact me, as you all have. If you understand Ron, he would not want this type of talk, we will have our time to finish business. Sue can not allow Nevada to be unrepresented. Sue is an honorable lady, who has just been put in a tough spot by the RNC. Please for the movement of Freedom that we all are members of, give the party a couple days!
Carl
Carl Bunce — June 3, 2008 @ 10:49 pm
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Comment on About Re-Convening the GOP Convention by Robert B — June 4, 2008 @ 12:35 am
Wow, the passion seems rather intense here. I really do not think it appropriate to slander party leaders or Ron Paul supporters, so I will break the mold of leveling attacks against individuals who are doing the best they possibly can. It seems we have gotten away from the time-honored intellectual traditoin of ad-logos attacks and instead settled on ad-personum/ad-hominem attacks. I would prefer a more rigorous and honest exchange. In that light, then, let me pose a parliamentary question: how can we claim that the Convention is merely recessed, or as Todd stated, “simply in recess”? Recess, the last time I checked both Robert’s Rules and Mason’s Rules, requires a motion from the floor, a second — unless no one in the body objects — and in either instance a vote of the body to actually go into recess. Both Robert’s and Mason’s require a specified time for reconvening. Absent this, what actually happens is that quorum is not met, and the Convention adjourns. Unless the body in question is a regularly scheduled body — like the Clark County Republican Party, which meets every other month on a specified Tuesday — it can not, ipso facto, simply be “reconvened”. Erego, if the busines of the body was not completed when quorum failed to muster, it must either be entirely re-called, or in the counter its business must remain incomplete. No one has really addressed this question, but I think it rather important. Does anyone agree with me, or am I just spitting in the wind?
Scott — June 4, 2008 @ 12:02 pm
I ‘ve been so disappointed by the party leaders. The other day I received a call from the state GOP fundraising effort asking for $150 in donations. I said I would be happy to commit to a smaller amount and since I was eating dinner, they should send me a request in the mail. I then asked when we would reconvene. (I figured since they were asking for my money, I had a right to ask when they would do their job.) The man said the 12th. I thanked him and went back to dinner. The next day I realized I didn’t know the 12th of what so I called headquarters in Las Veagas. Heather was very nice but completely denied what the man said. I was lied to in the process of my party doing a simple fundraising. I REALLY don’t deserve that. It seems like they want my money, will spend it foolishly, and then expect me to fall in line and not ask questions.
A previous poster remarked that some delegates may have not been involved in working within the party for years, thus diminishing them. I can speak for myself when I say I have felt myself more and more disenfranchised by my party. I am finding that it is not enough to simply elect a candidate and then go about my daily pursuits trusting them to do what is right. The conservative party is no longer conservative- the monies spent, the liberties lost. It is time we ACT because the leaders can’t be trusted without oversight from us. Our forefathers set it up that way.
There are no selfish motivations other than wanting an honest government for me and my fellow Americans. Simple as that.
Thank you.
Amber Reeves — June 4, 2008 @ 12:53 pm
Amber, if you honestly think the guy on the other end of the line even had a clue what you are talking about, you are dilusional.
Fundraising is often taken care of by outside parties who have no idea what turmoil or business is at the state level.
I am sure he wanted to simply shirk off the responsibility of not knowing his job. So, the moral of the story is, unless he had a script in front of him that told him to give the date of “the 12th” to people who questioned, the party may not have any clue, which is more than likely the case.
anonymous — June 4, 2008 @ 12:56 pm
It is a sad day for our beloved Republic. Most folks are either naive or refuse to believe the facts. The economic situation we are facing today is the direct result of the Federal Reserve Bank, which is no more federal than Federal Express. The White House has been under the control of the CFR since the days of Jimmy Carter. Carter was personally groomed for the presidency by David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brezinsky. In the Reagan administration George H. w. Bush was the CFR member as well as his own presidency. Bill Clinton is a CFR member. In the current administration it is Dick Cheney. All the “top tier” candidates are
CFR members, Obama, Clinton and McCain. Ron Paul is the only candidate who advocates a sound monetary policy and government that conforms to the Constitution, which by the way IS the SUPREME Law of the Land. The high price of gasoline is the result of banks that are carrying subprime real-estate loans in their portfolios hedging these bad loans with oil futures. The banks drive up the price of oil on the futures market, then take their profits to cover losses in the subprime real-estate portfolios. You and I pay the price. These same bankers are all connected to the Rockefeller-Rothchilds New World Order families. We have an opourtunity today to save our country from this one world government scheme. That opportunity is by electing Ron Paul and people with his principles to our government. For a list of CFR members and an insite into international banking, one world government etc., point your web browser to http://www.augustreview.com. Also might I suggest you read the writings of one Dr. Edwin J Vieira,one of the foremost scholars on fiat money. The future of our country depends on you! We the People can make a difference.
James Jensen — June 4, 2008 @ 1:28 pm
People post anonymously, like myself, because we know the backlash that can come from being against your revolution. I’d rather not have my name dragged through the mud on posts all over the internet, thank you very much.
Ron Paul took 2nd in Nevada, but we are working towards the National Convention. Facts are facts, McCain won nationally and Ron Paul has no chance. If your goal is to make yourselves known…we get it, you’re here, loud, and proud. You still lose. Let’s get behind our party instead of shredding it in two.
Point of the story…there will be a sanctioned reconvening. Lets just all calm down and wait for the party to provide the date. I don’t understand why RP people are always so angry.
Right Wing Conspiracy — June 4, 2008 @ 1:43 pm
Scott,
The reason why we don’t call it adjourned is because no one wants it to be adjourned. Simple as that. NV law forbids a major political party holding more than one state convention in a presidential election year. NRS 293.163(1) NV also requires that delegates to the National conventions must be chosen at the state convention. NRS 293.163(2). So if we adjourned, we can’t re-start, and the NV GOP is in violation of law.
Now, as far as the delegates having the authority to reconvene: They can not, by themselves, choose the time and place of the when the convention originally starts. That authority is reserved to the state central committee. NRS 193.150(1). Of course, the state central committee is made up of every registered Republican in the state, but most of what they “do” is done by the Executive board. So the E-board gets to pick the time and date of when the convention starts. But once it starts, the delegates adopt the rules they will use. NRS 293.155 So it makes sense that the delegates can change the location of the present convention, recess the convention (for lunch, for the day, whatever) or reconvene the convention after a recess. If the delegates have a quorum, wherever they happen to meet and conduct business is acceptable unless it violates a state law or a party rule. Incidentally, if a quorum DOES exist on June 28th, and delegates ARE chosen, and the convention is adjourned properly afterwards, all the screaming in the world by the E-board will not get a second convention, because the 2nd convention is not permitted by state law.
Allen — June 4, 2008 @ 2:11 pm
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My new WordPress MU Site » Blog Archive » Comment on About Re-Convening the GOP Convention by James Jensen — June 4, 2008 @ 2:25 pm
Right wing conspiracy:
What part of “Goose-step” don’t you understand? The lesser of two evils is still EVIL. Sell your soul if you want to, I will not!
Richard — June 4, 2008 @ 7:55 pm
Allen,
Thank you for your answer. I agree with most of it, however I would point out that under Statute, the State Central Committee is not every registered Republican, but rather are governed under the auspices of NRS 293.157: “The state and county central committeemen shall serve for 2 years and until their successors have been elected. The membership of a member of a county or state central committee may be terminated only for cause by a vote of a majority of the membership present at a regular meeting of the committee. If such membership is terminated or if any position on the county or state central committee remains unfilled at the county or state convention, the position, if filled, must be filled by a vote of a majority of the membership present at a regular or special meeting of the committee. If a vacancy occurs among the officers of a county or state central committee, the vacancy must be filled by the membership present by ballot at a regular or special meeting of the committee.” Sections 1-4. Needless to say, this would indicate that the position is an actual office, not a default existance based on voter registration. And it would seem that the State Central Committee, not the Executive Board, needs to govern this. Just my thoughts. Any feedback?
Scott Austin — June 4, 2008 @ 8:00 pm
The state party is not serious about restarting the convention. They tell a different story every day. Now they are saying that they will vote next week on a restart with a possible start date in late July. It is simply con game that they are playing. When July comes, they will cancel entirely, I am sure.
Ben — June 4, 2008 @ 8:04 pm
To Right Wing Conspiracy:
“If your goal is to make yourselves known…we get it, you’re here, loud, and proud.
You still lose. Let’s get behind our party instead of shredding it in two.”
No, I think it would be better if were held at a national level event, like the Republican National Convention, where more Americans might actually be paying attention.
And no, I won’t support another fascist (McCain/McSame) just because he has a label of “Republican” (LOL) pasted in front of his name. As others have pointed out, the lesser of two evils is still evil. Actually, I’m not even sure if it IS the lesser of two evils since they aren’t that different really. Sorry, this isn’t about MORONIC party labels, this is about PRINCIPLES. When will you get that?? Blindly following along artificial divisional party lines is what got us here in the first place. And it’s not a good place. Have you read what the “*Democratic*” governor of Montana is saying lately? He is far more “conservative” than McCain.
As to why Ron Paul supporters are angry? Like the saying goes, “if you aren’t angry, you aren’t paying attention.” So that just shows you aren’t paying attention.
The American people have been getting screwed every which way for a long time. It’s just that now some of them are actually starting to realize it. Just wait until more of them get it. I think it was Henry Ford that said back in the 1920’s if the American people ever realized ‘what was going on’ [paraphrase], there would be a revolution by morning. Well, here ya go.
Oh, and STILL waiting to hear the “announcement” on the reconvening of the convention.
Robert B — June 4, 2008 @ 9:47 pm
Carl Bunce;
I am doubled over, laughing at what a fraud you are! It is funny to see how you have changed your tune now that you are a candidate. You have gone way overboard in your feigned respect and admiration for Sue Lowden in this post. Anybody who has read your posts on previous blog issues and in the Ron Paul Meetup website knows you are nothing more than a rabble rousing dopey Paultard. Your efforts to moderate yourself are obvious and laughable. What happened to your wreckless threats? Where is the “moveover, there’s a new sheriff in town” attitude you previously displayed? Where’s the talk about your maniacal devotion to your retarded “revolution.” You’re a joke. I am going to laugh when Jon Porter kicks your rear end. I’m sure you’ve been told to ACT like your a normal Republican, but in your haste to fit in, you made yourself stick out even further. Put your hockey equipment back on and get back on the small bus!
Honest Abe — June 4, 2008 @ 10:37 pm
“If you are involved in any fraud and/or corruption at any level Quit Now! . . . A Note for Sue Lowden. Hiding information from party members is corruption”
This is a Carl Bunce quote from previous post on this blog.
Damn! Don’t you wish you could take that all back now that you are a candidate? Will the real Carl Bunce please stand up?
Honest Abe — June 4, 2008 @ 10:47 pm
Dear Anonymous,
Your response reflects a depressingly jaded mindset and an acceptance of corruption that is so ubiquitous in our electorate today. For all of Nevada’s beauty, it makes one want to move to a population that is more educated. There is nothing worse than empowered ignorance. Poor decisions are made resulting in socio-economic catastrophe. Ergo the situation we are presently facing, specifically with respect to the budget situation in our beautiful state of Nevada. We are in a lot of trouble due to the “blind leading the blind”. Because of this sort of mindless support of the politicians offered, we can expet mediocre results in our future. I will accept that you should probably limit yourself to being an expert in fundraising and leave the political decisions to those with minds suited for
that which you are lacking…critical thought process. Actually, your thought process is critical, just not constructive.
In my opinion, you would do well to do your level best to seek out leaders who have a demonstratable record of having made decisions based on the constitution and the best interests of the American people (which even includes you). Sadly, the beneficiaries of the status quo are a few guys at the very top, NOT “We The People!”
Effervescently yours,
Amber Reeves
Amber Reeves — June 5, 2008 @ 3:39 am
Amber,
Who said that I am jaded or accept corruption?
Just because I speak like a down -to-earth human being and choose not to read the dictionary on my spare time doesn’t mean I am an idiot. There are few things I claim to be right about, but one of them is that John McCain is the right man to lead our country. This doesn’t make me ignorant, inconstructive, and I do not lack critical process, all things you have stated and accused me of in your post. You see, I ACTUALLY SUPPORT MCCAIN. HIS POLICIES, THE WAY HE HAS VOTED, THE MAN OF CHARACTER THAT HE IS.
In 2000, I wanted him to be the President so badly, but he didn’t get the nomination. He stepped aside for George W Bush. THAT is character. Knowing that you are fighting a losing battle, and stepping aside to help the next best man. Ron Paul should consider this, he’d get more media attention, and seem like less of a riot-rouser.
I find it amazing that you support the US Constitution, when it comes to candidates following it, but as a citizen, you find that my right to free speech is null and void, because you do not agree.
You see, I may disagree with you whole heartedly (and I will until the day that I die), but you have every right to have a civil discussion(if thats even possible for all of the people throwing out personal slanders on here). But that means that I do too.
The Muslims have a right to freedom of speech as much as the Christians do. And, the Ron Paul supporters have a right to speak, AS MUCH AS MCCAIN SUPPORTERS DO. BUT DO NOT TRY TO SILENCE ME BECAUSE YOU DO NOT AGREE. IT seems that all RP “Revolutionaries” care about is being heard themselves, and not hearing what others have to say to respond in a civil tone & matter. Thats amazing to me, because if you’re trying to leave some sort of legacy, or change the thinking of those around you, being argumentative sure isn’t going to help your cause.
Just because you do not agree with me, and others who do support McCain -don’t call us idiots. Because I have a few words I’d like to say to you, too. Lucky for you, I’m a lady and won’t type those words out for the entire world to see.
PS- For those of you too wound up to notice, Sue released the new convention date:
The Executive Board of the Nevada Republican State Central Committee has set Saturday, July 26th 2008 as the official date to reconvene the Nevada State Republican Convention. The convention will be held in the same place it started, at the Peppermill Hotel and Casino in Reno, Nevada.
A record number of delegates were credentialed at the 2008 Nevada Republican Convention before it was called to recess on April 26th 2008. The convention has already passed rules, bylaws, credentials, a platform, and elected national committee members.
anonymous — June 5, 2008 @ 8:56 am
This just makes me realize that politics is not about the people but of the elite few.
Ron Paul did come in 2nd, McCain came in 3rd. Romney, who I supported conceded, Paul has not. I know the party heads want to have the delegates go to McCain so they are all nice and “unified” behind him, but the voters don’t agree. If you are going to demonstrate you are a party of the people, then deal with the fact that Paul will get the majority of the delegates fair and square. The more the party leaders play games trying to avoid this outcome, the more I am coming to the realization that corruption is running rampant and may time for an investigation to take place.
Todd — June 5, 2008 @ 1:11 pm
Who actually thinks that if Ron Paul does win all delegates from NV that the National Committee will not switch from a voice vote to raise your hand situation? lol. I mean really, maybe the delegates from NV haven’t spoken, but its clear that the delegates from the rest of the country have. McCain has it. So just because you want to go and say your candidates name, what good does that do?
Do you really think your childish antics will be able to rise above a well oiled machine like the RNC? Do you really think the media will give you the time of day?
Stop wasting your time. You are on board with RP. EVERYONE gets it. It doesn’t mean that you OR your candidate will get anymore credit or media time.
anonymous — June 5, 2008 @ 1:21 pm
It is no longer about delegates but whether the party is going to operate by its own rules or whether the party leaders can get away with any kind of tactics that they choose.
Ben — June 5, 2008 @ 2:23 pm
Honest Abe — Sarcasm, it is my brand of humor! I guess you are one of the people that does not have that part in your brain, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4566319.stm
I have stood up, for Freedom!
Thanks for the concern,
Carl
Carl Bunce — June 5, 2008 @ 3:22 pm
Scott,
My mistake. NRS 293.153 provides that “the state central committee of each major political party shall consist of as many registered voters affiliated with the party as may be determined by the state convention of the party….” So pretty much, the state convention designates who is on the central committee, as long as they are registered Republican.
Anyway, the central committee did designate the time and place of the convention. That part of their job is over. The delegates are responsible for conducting the business of the convention (including when and where they restart after a recess), whether the party leaders like it or not.
Allen — June 5, 2008 @ 3:47 pm
“Damn! Don’t you wish you could take that all back now that you are a candidate? Will the real Carl Bunce please stand up?”
Honest Abe — June 4, 2008 10:47 pm
Actually, you think anyone else reads this blog at 10:47pm, beside me and you! It is just a guilty pleasure of mine. I still stand by that comment, with everything that I am! We should do lunch. E-mail me…
Carl
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Nicky Cheese » Blog Archive » SELECT Cheese: The Comment-Envy Edition — June 7, 2008 @ 1:19 am
Hey Chuckie,
All this visitor traffic from this blog is really raking in donations on my web site. Plus I am getting international traffic to my website! Sweet, keep on spreading the message of freedom! Keep up the site linking, I am loving it! Keep it up, Honest Abe! You should get some work as a SEO.
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Carl Bunce — June 7, 2008 @ 1:48 am
Carl Bunce:
Read your post and Muths Truths. Glad I could help — expose you, that is! The problem with saying things like “raking in donations” in a political campaign is that you actually have to “show me the money” in contribution and expenditure reports. With those pesky filing requirements you actually have to be honest, something you aren’t used to doing. We’ll see just how much you actually have “raked in” when it comes time for you to report. I suspect you’ll be proven a fraud AGAIN! Either that or we will get a list from you of other special people who will be in need of purchasing hockey equipment who aren’t even on a team. May need a few more short buses, too. As for “international traffic” to that pile of steaming road apples you call a website, just goes to show you that America doesn’t have a monopoly on Ron Paul type morons. Frankly, I wouldn’t brag too loudly about the fact that a couple of French guys in tights sipping Perrier watching their poodles prance around find your site and your candidacy to be divine. All aboard Carl, your bus is leaving! “Dee Dee Dee!”
Honest Abe — June 7, 2008 @ 12:44 pm
Did you see where Texas delegates have sued twice and won? At the April 26th Convention, it was not the Ron Paul supporters who were the insurgents…it was the convention leaders who decided not to follow the rules. Apparently there are judges who will back those who do things by the book, instead of those who use the lame excuse “we’ve always done it that way.” That’s the olde guard, and there is a new guard and change is coming. If the NV GOP really was interested in all of our voices, they would “reach across the aisle” and continue the Convention at the earliest possible date, which at this time is June 28th and simply get the job done. I am attending the convening by the delegates where everyone has a voice…June 28th.
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